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		<title>By: Jamie Vicary</title>
		<link>http://theoreticalatlas.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/n-group-representation-theory-part-1/#comment-222</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie Vicary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course you can, because you can always just choose the trivial representation. This is quite a nice theorem! Can anybody tell me where it&#039;s proved? Maybe I&#039;ll have a go at it myself...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course you can, because you can always just choose the trivial representation. This is quite a nice theorem! Can anybody tell me where it&#8217;s proved? Maybe I&#8217;ll have a go at it myself&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Vicary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Vicary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 14:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;a href=&quot;http://theoreticalatlas.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/n-group-representation-theory-part-1/#comment-157&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;inventor&lt;/a&gt; of the Poincaré 2-group said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Whenever you have a group $G$ acting as automorphisms of an abelian group $H$, you get a 2-group with $G$ as the group of objects and $H$ as the group of endomorphisms of the identity object. Every strict 2-group where all morphisms are endomorphisms is of this form.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Can&#039;t you do this trick for ANY group $G$ and abelian group $H$? I don&#039;t see why $G$ needs to act as automorphisms of $H$.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://theoreticalatlas.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/n-group-representation-theory-part-1/#comment-157" rel="nofollow">inventor</a> of the Poincaré 2-group said:</p>
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Whenever you have a group $G$ acting as automorphisms of an abelian group $H$, you get a 2-group with $G$ as the group of objects and $H$ as the group of endomorphisms of the identity object. Every strict 2-group where all morphisms are endomorphisms is of this form.
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<p>Can&#8217;t you do this trick for ANY group $G$ and abelian group $H$? I don&#8217;t see why $G$ needs to act as automorphisms of $H$.</p>
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		<title>By: Urs Schreiber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Urs Schreiber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of unwritten papers:

I am still trying to find somebody interested in un-unwriting this unwritten article:

&lt;em&gt;The canonical 2-representation&lt;/em&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.math.uni-hamburg.de/home/schreiber/canrep.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pdf&lt;/a&gt;, 11 unwritten pages)

&lt;strong&gt;Abstract:&lt;/strong&gt;   Every finite strict 2-group has a canonical 2-representation on Vect-module categories. This easily generalizes to strict Lie 2-groups and possibly to Fr&#233;chet Lie 2-groups.

Examples discussed are the 2-representations which yield the associated 2-bundles known as line 2-bundle (abelian gerbes) and String 2-bundles.

If I were to un-unwrite this myself now, I&#039;d stop talking about Fr&#233;chet and start talking instead internal to sheaves on smooth test domains. 

As Andrew Stacey pointed out to me: it is actually known that doing loop groups not as Fre&#233;chet manifolds but as things internal to sheaves on smooth test domains is possible and, more shockingly, yields the familiar representation theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of unwritten papers:</p>
<p>I am still trying to find somebody interested in un-unwriting this unwritten article:</p>
<p><em>The canonical 2-representation</em> (<a href="http://www.math.uni-hamburg.de/home/schreiber/canrep.pdf" rel="nofollow">pdf</a>, 11 unwritten pages)</p>
<p><strong>Abstract:</strong>   Every finite strict 2-group has a canonical 2-representation on Vect-module categories. This easily generalizes to strict Lie 2-groups and possibly to Fr&eacute;chet Lie 2-groups.</p>
<p>Examples discussed are the 2-representations which yield the associated 2-bundles known as line 2-bundle (abelian gerbes) and String 2-bundles.</p>
<p>If I were to un-unwrite this myself now, I&#8217;d stop talking about Fr&eacute;chet and start talking instead internal to sheaves on smooth test domains. </p>
<p>As Andrew Stacey pointed out to me: it is actually known that doing loop groups not as Fre&eacute;chet manifolds but as things internal to sheaves on smooth test domains is possible and, more shockingly, yields the familiar representation theory.</p>
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		<title>By: Urs Schreiber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Urs Schreiber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie wrote:

&quot;And there was me thinking that a 2-group was a 2-category with one object, one morphism, and all 2-morphisms invertible.&quot;

Indeed, every such 2-category yields a 2-group, namely the &quot;shifted&quot; version of the ordinary (abelian) group of endomorphisms of that single morphism.

More generally, though, 2-groups come from 2-groupoids with a single object.

Even though it may seem backwards, that&#039;s actually a good way to define $n$-groups: they are the Hom (n-1)-categories of one-object n-groupoids.

Depending on how strict or weak you chose your n-groupoid here, you get correspondingly a more or less strict or weak notion of n-group.

As John Armstrong mentioned, it makes sense to think of an n-group as a one-object n-groupoid, because we should think of it as (a sub n-group, possibly, of) the n-group of automorphisms (or autoequivalences, if we are working weakly) of some object. That&#039;s the single object we keep seeing.


It might be an interesting exercise to try to reverse-engineer a given n-group to realize it as the automorphism n-group of some concrete object in some given n-category.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;And there was me thinking that a 2-group was a 2-category with one object, one morphism, and all 2-morphisms invertible.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed, every such 2-category yields a 2-group, namely the &#8220;shifted&#8221; version of the ordinary (abelian) group of endomorphisms of that single morphism.</p>
<p>More generally, though, 2-groups come from 2-groupoids with a single object.</p>
<p>Even though it may seem backwards, that&#8217;s actually a good way to define $n$-groups: they are the Hom (n-1)-categories of one-object n-groupoids.</p>
<p>Depending on how strict or weak you chose your n-groupoid here, you get correspondingly a more or less strict or weak notion of n-group.</p>
<p>As John Armstrong mentioned, it makes sense to think of an n-group as a one-object n-groupoid, because we should think of it as (a sub n-group, possibly, of) the n-group of automorphisms (or autoequivalences, if we are working weakly) of some object. That&#8217;s the single object we keep seeing.</p>
<p>It might be an interesting exercise to try to reverse-engineer a given n-group to realize it as the automorphism n-group of some concrete object in some given n-category.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Vicary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Vicary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And there was me thinking that a 2-group was a 2-category with one object, one morphism, and all 2-morphisms invertible. (I guess that would be a category enriched in the 2-category of groups, rather than internal to it... or something like that.) It&#039;s nice how the translation and boost symmetries get separated by this construction. I shall have to wait for this new paper to see why it&#039;s fundamental to quantum gravity! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And there was me thinking that a 2-group was a 2-category with one object, one morphism, and all 2-morphisms invertible. (I guess that would be a category enriched in the 2-category of groups, rather than internal to it&#8230; or something like that.) It&#8217;s nice how the translation and boost symmetries get separated by this construction. I shall have to wait for this new paper to see why it&#8217;s fundamental to quantum gravity! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: John Baez</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Baez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!  I invented the Poincare 2-group!  :-)

Whenever you have a group G acting as automorphisms of an abelian group H, you get a 2-group with G as the group of objects and H as the group of endomorphisms of the identity object.  Every strict 2-group where all morphisms are endomorphisms is of this form.

In particular, whenever you have a group G and a representation of it on a vector space H, you get an example of this situation.  So, any group representation gives a 2-group.  I find this very cute, but I don&#039;t feel I understand its profound significance (if there is one).  

When I realized this fact (which surely had been known for a long time), I decided to take the Lorentz group and its representation on R^4, turn this stuff into a 2-group, and call it the Poincare 2-group.

The use of this thing, if any, is still quite mysterious to me.  Derek Wise, Laurent Freidel, Aristide Baratin and I are about 2/3 done with a paper on representations of 2-groups, which began as a paper representations of the Poincare 2-group.  Jeff was also involved in working on this paper.  Baratin and Freidel have done some calculations relating the representation theory of the Poincare 2-group to some 4d TQFT-like models, but I don&#039;t think anyone really understands what&#039;s going on yet.

By the way, for any n you can build an (n+1)-group by starting with a group G acting as automorphisms of a group H, and taking G to be the objects and H to be the endo-n-morphisms of the identity object.  Well, that&#039;s &lt;i&gt;almost&lt;/i&gt; true... actually the case n = 0 is a weird degenerate case which doesn&#039;t quite work the same way. This case is the usual semidirect product!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!  I invented the Poincare 2-group!  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Whenever you have a group G acting as automorphisms of an abelian group H, you get a 2-group with G as the group of objects and H as the group of endomorphisms of the identity object.  Every strict 2-group where all morphisms are endomorphisms is of this form.</p>
<p>In particular, whenever you have a group G and a representation of it on a vector space H, you get an example of this situation.  So, any group representation gives a 2-group.  I find this very cute, but I don&#8217;t feel I understand its profound significance (if there is one).  </p>
<p>When I realized this fact (which surely had been known for a long time), I decided to take the Lorentz group and its representation on R^4, turn this stuff into a 2-group, and call it the Poincare 2-group.</p>
<p>The use of this thing, if any, is still quite mysterious to me.  Derek Wise, Laurent Freidel, Aristide Baratin and I are about 2/3 done with a paper on representations of 2-groups, which began as a paper representations of the Poincare 2-group.  Jeff was also involved in working on this paper.  Baratin and Freidel have done some calculations relating the representation theory of the Poincare 2-group to some 4d TQFT-like models, but I don&#8217;t think anyone really understands what&#8217;s going on yet.</p>
<p>By the way, for any n you can build an (n+1)-group by starting with a group G acting as automorphisms of a group H, and taking G to be the objects and H to be the endo-n-morphisms of the identity object.  Well, that&#8217;s <i>almost</i> true&#8230; actually the case n = 0 is a weird degenerate case which doesn&#8217;t quite work the same way. This case is the usual semidirect product!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Morton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Morton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the other way around (the 2-automorphism group has to be abelian), but yes, that&#039;s it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the other way around (the 2-automorphism group has to be abelian), but yes, that&#8217;s it.</p>
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		<title>By: John Armstrong</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Armstrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 04:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly.  So is that the Poincaré 2-group?  Use Minkowski spacetime points as objects and the Lorentz group as the automorphisms of the identity object?  (or the other way around.. I always have to look up which direction the semidirect product goes)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.  So is that the Poincaré 2-group?  Use Minkowski spacetime points as objects and the Lorentz group as the automorphisms of the identity object?  (or the other way around.. I always have to look up which direction the semidirect product goes)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Morton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Morton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 02:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John: Unfortunately, I only have the first edition, so I haven&#039;t read that section.  Explicitly, the connection is that given a 2-group $latex \mathbb{G}$ whose group of objects is $latex G$, and where the automorphism group of the identity is $latex H$, then the collection of all morphisms of $latex \mathbb{G}$ gets a group structure, and is $latex G \ltimes H$.  That&#039;s the only connection between the two ideas I know of, so I assume it&#039;s the one in &lt;i&gt;CWM&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John: Unfortunately, I only have the first edition, so I haven&#8217;t read that section.  Explicitly, the connection is that given a 2-group <img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmathbb%7BG%7D&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=29303b&#038;s=0' alt='\mathbb{G}' title='\mathbb{G}' class='latex' /> whose group of objects is <img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=G&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=29303b&#038;s=0' alt='G' title='G' class='latex' />, and where the automorphism group of the identity is <img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=H&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=29303b&#038;s=0' alt='H' title='H' class='latex' />, then the collection of all morphisms of <img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmathbb%7BG%7D&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=29303b&#038;s=0' alt='\mathbb{G}' title='\mathbb{G}' class='latex' /> gets a group structure, and is <img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=G+%5Cltimes+H&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=29303b&#038;s=0' alt='G \ltimes H' title='G \ltimes H' class='latex' />.  That&#8217;s the only connection between the two ideas I know of, so I assume it&#8217;s the one in <i>CWM</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: John Armstrong</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Armstrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;More plainly, the Poincaré 2-group is a way of restoring the distinction between rotations/boosts on the one hand, and translations on the other which is lost when you look at the Poincaré group as one big group, rather than as a construct (usually the semidirect product) built from a pair of groups.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Is this the same connection between 2-groups and semidirect products as is illustrated in the last section of the 2nd edition of &lt;i&gt;CWM&lt;/i&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>More plainly, the Poincaré 2-group is a way of restoring the distinction between rotations/boosts on the one hand, and translations on the other which is lost when you look at the Poincaré group as one big group, rather than as a construct (usually the semidirect product) built from a pair of groups.</p></blockquote>
<p>Is this the same connection between 2-groups and semidirect products as is illustrated in the last section of the 2nd edition of <i>CWM</i>?</p>
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