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		<title>By: Conference: MakkaiFest &#8216;09 (Models, Logic, Higher Categories) &#171; Theoretical Atlas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conference: MakkaiFest &#8216;09 (Models, Logic, Higher Categories) &#171; Theoretical Atlas</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Warren&#8217;s talk, &#8220;Martin-Löf complexes&#8221; (I reported on a similar talk he gave at Octoberfest last year). The idea here is to start by defining a globular set, given a theory and type  &#8211; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Warren&#8217;s talk, &#8220;Martin-Löf complexes&#8221; (I reported on a similar talk he gave at Octoberfest last year). The idea here is to start by defining a globular set, given a theory and type  &#8211; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Morton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Morton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm..  Okay, I wasn&#039;t aware that people distinguish the two terms that way.  It&#039;s yet another non-systematic usage - which is a little annoying, like the way people use hard-to-generalize latinate terms like &quot;bicategory&quot; to mean what ought to be called a 2-category (as opposed to a *strict* 2-category, which is what that term tends to mean).  Still, I&#039;d rather know what people will think I mean when I use a word, so that&#039;s good to know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm..  Okay, I wasn&#8217;t aware that people distinguish the two terms that way.  It&#8217;s yet another non-systematic usage &#8211; which is a little annoying, like the way people use hard-to-generalize latinate terms like &#8220;bicategory&#8221; to mean what ought to be called a 2-category (as opposed to a *strict* 2-category, which is what that term tends to mean).  Still, I&#8217;d rather know what people will think I mean when I use a word, so that&#8217;s good to know&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Urs Schreiber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Urs Schreiber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;

omega-something should be as weak as necessary for the greatest possible generality

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Okay, I see. I am aware that some people use the &quot;omega&quot; this way, but I find it a bit odd, since my impression had been (possibly incorrectly) that the use of &quot;omega&quot; over &quot;infinity&quot; has originally (and still so in the majority of publications) precisely been to emphasize that one refers to the strict version, because the &quot;omega&quot; alludes the the fact that we reach omega-categories by taking the limit of the iterated enrichment

 (n+1)Cat = nCat-Cat

starting with 0Cat = Set, which produces strict n-categories at each level.

In any case, why should one otherwise say &quot;omega-category&quot; instead of &quot;infinity-category&quot;?

Well, sorry for the terminological nitpicking. It&#039;s not really important. Feel free to ignore this comment of mine.</description>
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<p>omega-something should be as weak as necessary for the greatest possible generality</p>
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<p>Okay, I see. I am aware that some people use the &#8220;omega&#8221; this way, but I find it a bit odd, since my impression had been (possibly incorrectly) that the use of &#8220;omega&#8221; over &#8220;infinity&#8221; has originally (and still so in the majority of publications) precisely been to emphasize that one refers to the strict version, because the &#8220;omega&#8221; alludes the the fact that we reach omega-categories by taking the limit of the iterated enrichment</p>
<p> (n+1)Cat = nCat-Cat</p>
<p>starting with 0Cat = Set, which produces strict n-categories at each level.</p>
<p>In any case, why should one otherwise say &#8220;omega-category&#8221; instead of &#8220;infinity-category&#8221;?</p>
<p>Well, sorry for the terminological nitpicking. It&#8217;s not really important. Feel free to ignore this comment of mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Morton</title>
		<link>http://theoreticalatlas.wordpress.com/2008/10/13/octoberfest-08/#comment-330</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Morton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Urs:

I can&#039;t find a paper by Harnik to go with that talk, but I imagine there is one somewhere.

As for omega-groupoids, I don&#039;t know that I&#039;m thinking of one particular definition, except that my default assumption is that an n-something or omega-something should be as weak as necessary for the greatest possible generality (that way, you can add adjectives to denote strict ones).  So I guess I&#039;m thinking of something like weak (infinity,1)-categories?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Urs:</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t find a paper by Harnik to go with that talk, but I imagine there is one somewhere.</p>
<p>As for omega-groupoids, I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;m thinking of one particular definition, except that my default assumption is that an n-something or omega-something should be as weak as necessary for the greatest possible generality (that way, you can add adjectives to denote strict ones).  So I guess I&#8217;m thinking of something like weak (infinity,1)-categories?</p>
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		<title>By: Urs Schreiber</title>
		<link>http://theoreticalatlas.wordpress.com/2008/10/13/octoberfest-08/#comment-329</link>
		<dc:creator>Urs Schreiber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;

Certainly any time omega-groupoids come up, it also comes up that they classify homotopy types of spaces.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wait, what precisely do you mean by &quot;omega-groupoid&quot; here? Usually the statement is that these do not&lt;/em&gt; classify homotopy types. 

We recently talked about that in &lt;a href=&quot;http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/category/2008/10/semicategories.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Semistrict Infinity-Categories&lt;/a&gt;.

The omega-groupoids mentioned there are the entirely strict ones: all composition is strictly associative and all k-morphisms have strict inverses for all k. These fail to capture all homotopy types from degree 3 on: 

While strict 3-groupoids are insufficient to model all 3-types, Gray-groupoids are sufficients. This is supposed to be just another incarnation of the fact you mention above, that every tricategory is at best equivalent to a Gray category, but not in general to a strict 3-category.

But I know that sometimes people say &quot;omega-groupoid&quot; for something weaker than the &quot;true&quot; omega-groupoids. Which definition precisely do you have in mind?</description>
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<p>Certainly any time omega-groupoids come up, it also comes up that they classify homotopy types of spaces.</p>
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<p>Wait, what precisely do you mean by &#8220;omega-groupoid&#8221; here? Usually the statement is that these do not classify homotopy types. </p>
<p>We recently talked about that in <a href="http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/category/2008/10/semicategories.html" rel="nofollow">Semistrict Infinity-Categories</a>.</p>
<p>The omega-groupoids mentioned there are the entirely strict ones: all composition is strictly associative and all k-morphisms have strict inverses for all k. These fail to capture all homotopy types from degree 3 on: </p>
<p>While strict 3-groupoids are insufficient to model all 3-types, Gray-groupoids are sufficients. This is supposed to be just another incarnation of the fact you mention above, that every tricategory is at best equivalent to a Gray category, but not in general to a strict 3-category.</p>
<p>But I know that sometimes people say &#8220;omega-groupoid&#8221; for something weaker than the &#8220;true&#8221; omega-groupoids. Which definition precisely do you have in mind?</p>
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		<title>By: Urs Schreiber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Urs Schreiber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the useful report!

&lt;blockquote&gt;

Harnik described how to generate an omega-category recursively: generate faces of dimension n by freely adjoining some indeterminate cells, which need all these operations telling how they can be stuck together.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Interesting coincidence. I am in the middle of thinking about something related to this. I am mostly following the nice work by Francois Metayer on this topic.

In &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tac.mta.ca/tac/volumes/11/7/11-07.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Resolutions by polygraphs&lt;/a&gt; he discusses a procedure to obtain omega-categories which are &quot;degreewise freely generated&quot; from a globular set.

This is pretty much the familiar generators-and-relations description of 1-categories, only that now each relation of generators of k-morphisms is itself a generator of (k+1)-morphisms and subject to further relations in degree (k+2). And so on.

In &lt;a href=&quot;http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0701746&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cofibrant complexes are free&lt;/a&gt; Metayer shows that the omega-categories obtained this way are precisely the cofibrant ones in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://arxiv.org/abs/0712.0617&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;folk&lt;/a&gt;  model structure on omega-cat. This is a nice consistency check on the construction.

Did Harnik mention Metayer&#039;s work? Does he have an article about his work that I can look at?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the useful report!</p>
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<p>Harnik described how to generate an omega-category recursively: generate faces of dimension n by freely adjoining some indeterminate cells, which need all these operations telling how they can be stuck together.</p>
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<p>Interesting coincidence. I am in the middle of thinking about something related to this. I am mostly following the nice work by Francois Metayer on this topic.</p>
<p>In <a href="http://www.tac.mta.ca/tac/volumes/11/7/11-07.pdf" rel="nofollow">Resolutions by polygraphs</a> he discusses a procedure to obtain omega-categories which are &#8220;degreewise freely generated&#8221; from a globular set.</p>
<p>This is pretty much the familiar generators-and-relations description of 1-categories, only that now each relation of generators of k-morphisms is itself a generator of (k+1)-morphisms and subject to further relations in degree (k+2). And so on.</p>
<p>In <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0701746" rel="nofollow">Cofibrant complexes are free</a> Metayer shows that the omega-categories obtained this way are precisely the cofibrant ones in the <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/0712.0617" rel="nofollow">folk</a>  model structure on omega-cat. This is a nice consistency check on the construction.</p>
<p>Did Harnik mention Metayer&#8217;s work? Does he have an article about his work that I can look at?</p>
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